#1 (permalink) 10 26 2008, 01 41 PM Chief Smoker Super Moderator Join Date Oct 2008 Posts 453 Rep Power 51 European VS American Made Cigarettes

I’ve tried both and I really cant smoke the foreign blend of Marlboro Lights. It has a weird burn on my throat and just tastes harsher.

I friend who works for a us embassy got me a 10 cartons (that’s the min buy amount) from Switzerland for $150 but that was two years ago and I still have 8 cartons left! How bad is that?

Anyone else have an opinion of American brands but foreign blends? #2 (permalink) 11 05 2008, 10 12 AM Eddie H Member Join Date Nov 2008 Location United States Posts 74 Rep Power 13 European VS American Made Cigarettes

The marlboros are all pretty much the same to me. Some of the other foreign brands are very much stronger that domestic brands #3 (permalink) 01 12 2009, 10 43 AM Petr 4 Senior Member Join Date Jan 2009 Location Greece(Macedonia) Posts 115 Rep Power 17

I live in Greece. All the EU cigarettes can’t compared with the US made last 10 years. The Nazi EU force us to smoke light cigarettes(maximum tar level 10),don’t allow to grow european tobacco,so companies takes from third world.
Also RJR sold Camel,Winston,Salem e.g. to Japan Tobacco and that company changed the quality,Philip Morris makes rubbish tasteless cigarettes into the EU,Brown and Williamson is dead,the same Rothmans inc.,Atlandis,and Gallagher which bought by BAT and changed the cigarettes blend recipe.
Small tobacco companies closed,only the Karelia Inc still lives.

I don’t like any cigarette in the Greek market. Used to smoke Camels until 2002 when JT changed the blend. 2002 2006 Dunhill’s, BAT changed and them so i smoke George Karelias and Sons
When i am in Germany i smoke “Orienta” an excellent cigarette. In the UK i prefer Sobranie Black Russian and Tor and in the US Camel Turkish and Lucky Strike #4 (permalink) 01 12 2009, 10 51 AM barfly Member Join Date Sep 2008 Location USA Posts 151 Rep Power 21

Welcome Petr 4, its nice to hear from smokers from foreign lands that are not trying to spam the forum. We welcome you. The brands you just mentioned are all in the database of cigreviews. Please, go there and write a review for the Sobranies and the GK and Sons and the others you mentioned. Just click on the cigreviews logo at the top of this page and you will see the cigreviews site. Again, welcome to you. #5 (permalink) 01 12 2009, 10 59 AM Petr 4 Senior Member Join Date Jan 2009 Location Greece(Macedonia) Posts 115 Rep Power 17

Hello, i am new in forum, not in CigReviews. I had reviews for that brands long time ago. #6 (permalink) 01 13 2009, 11 41 PM Eddie H Member Join Date Nov 2008 Location United States Posts 74 Rep Power 13

Welcome Petr 4, I saw your review at cigreviews for the Sobranie Black Russian smokes. I looked those up at “cigpedia”. The packaging looks cool. I have never seen those though in any of the tobacco shops I go to. If I see them, I will try based on your review. #7 (permalink) 01 14 2009, 05 39 AM Petr 4 Senior Member Join Date Jan 2009 Location Greece(Macedonia) Posts 115 Rep Power 17

I am not sure if they are available in the States. Before some years was. Sobranie is a cigarette you can find only in limited areas and really expensive (12E/pack 16$),a smoking experience you should try at least once. Made in the UK by Gallagher limited a part of JT inc.

News – european parliament gives vote of confidence to electronic cigarettes

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There were mixed reactions to the European Parliament s handling of the commission s proposed new Tobacco Products Directive (TPD), which was voted on yesterday, but the electronic cigarette industry seemed full of praise for MEPs.

In a press note issued yesterday, Gamucci, the electronic cigarette manufacturer and supplier, said the parliament had listened to reason in voting to reject plans that would have seen medical regulation applied to electronic cigarettes.

“We want to thank those MEPs who took the time to listen and to understand the industry s point of view as well as the views of many thousands of electronic cigarette smokers,” said Chief Executive Tony Scanlan.

“Electronic cigarettes have been described as potentially the greatest breakthrough for public health in decades. It would have been a sad day if our politicians had ignored the growing evidence that for many adult smokers these can be life changing products.”

Meanwhile, Taz Sheikh, co founder of Gamucci, was already looking beyond the TPD to what might happen in the U.K. “We are in favour of an effective and well regulated market for our products, but we believe that applying onerous and costly medical regulation would be misguided and ill informed,” he said. “We hope that the U.K. government and the MHRA Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency take note of today s vote and think again.”

There was much the same reaction from another electronic cigarette manufacturer and supplier, E Lites, which said that the EU Commission s plan to ban e cigarettes which were not licensed as medicines had been blocked by the parliament. MEPs had rejected the commission proposal, which had been backed by the Socialist Group s Linda McAvan.

Corporate Affairs Director Charles Hamshaw Thomas, described the parliamentary vote as a fantastic result for public health and the millions of smokers around Europe who were switching to e cigarettes. Without such a vote, he said, “We would have been in the absurd position of the EU making it much harder to make and sell e cigarettes than tobacco cigarettes which are vastly more harmful”.

“Common sense has prevailed and following this decision in the European Parliament, we now hope to work with the EU Commission and national governments to agree appropriate regulations for e cigarettes which reinforce existing consumer protection rules,” added Hamshaw Thomas. “The aim is to maximise the enormous health benefits of these products which are hugely popular with smokers seeking to reduce their tobacco dependency.”

The reaction from the traditional tobacco industry was more muted, however. “Today s vote in the European Parliament has introduced marginal improvement in some areas, but has still failed to take into account the views of millions of EU citizens, including our employees, retailers, tobacco growers and adult consumers who will be impacted by these measures,” said Philip Morris International EU Region President Drago Azinovic.

“It remains the case that members of the European Parliament have voted to ban an entire segment of the legal market despite the inevitable increase in illegal trade that this will fuel.

“They have failed to provide a workable framework for reduced harm products and have also continued to include oversized graphic health warnings and pack standardization even though the risks of smoking are already well known and without apparent concern for property rights that the EU Charter protects.

“There remain several important steps before this directive passes into law, and we hope that decision makers will take the opportunity to apply common sense and adopt a directive that is as any EU legislation must be necessary, proportionate and supported by credible evidence.”

According to a story in Malta Today, the vote was welcomed by the European health commissioner, Tonio Borg, of Malta, who said the amended TPD text would now go for negotiations between the European Council of ministers and MEPs.

Once the legislation is approved by the council and parliament, EU member states will have 18 months in which to translate the directive into their national laws.

U.K. based Forest (Freedom Organisation for the Right to Enjoy Smoking Tobacco) campaigners said consumers would have “mixed feelings” following the parliamentary vote.

“MEPs voted against a ban on slim cigarettes and rejected a ban on all smaller pouches of roll your own tobacco,” Forest said in a press note. (The European Commission wanted to ban pouches of 12.5 g and 25 g but MEPs voted to allow 20 g pouches.)

“The Parliament approved a ban on menthol cigarettes but voted to delay implementation for five years.”

“Consumers will have mixed feelings,” said Angela Harbutt, campaigns manager of Forest, which runs the No Thank EU campaign.

“We welcome the fact that some products have been reprieved while menthol cigarettes have been given a stay of execution, but consumers are still angry that the EU is trying to restrict or ban products they have purchased and enjoyed for many years.

“Prohibition doesn t work and banned products will almost certainly be available on the unregulated black market. Law abiding consumers will be at a serious disadvantage and it won t help children because criminal gangs don t care who they sell to.”

Harbutt came down hard on the parliament s decision to increase the size of the health warning to 65 percent of the pack.

“Increasing the size of the health warning is gesture politics,” she said. “It won t stop people smoking because everyone already knows about the health risks of smoking. It s incredibly patronising, even to teenagers, and the impact on smoking rates will be negligible.”

Harbutt accused the European Parliament of ignoring the concerns of consumers and retailers.

Forest, which is supported by British American Tobacco, Imperial Tobacco Limited and Gallaher Limited (a member of the Japan Tobacco Group of Companies), this week revealed that a letter writing campaign, opposing the Commission s revisions to the TPD, had generated almost 45,000 letters to MPs and MEPs in the U.K. alone.

Meanwhile, some of the harshest criticism of yesterday s vote came from within the parliament. According to another Malta Today story, the Greens blamed intense tobacco industry lobbying for the revisions made to the TPD.

“This is a shameful day for the European Parliament, as a centre right majority, led by the EPP group, has done the bidding of the tobacco industry and voted for weaker rules, which are totally at odds with citizens interests and public health,” said the Greens public health spokesperson Carl Schlyter. “It is scandalous that the centre right in this house seems to be more concerned about the profits of the tobacco industry than the health of EU citizens.”